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This page last updated on 29th June 2008

John Waller contributes the following:

Victorious 65-67 cruise The trouble with memories is that the strongest ones and the ones you retain are more often tinged with sadness; one such memory is the death of two 893 personnel. During the refitting of an ejection seat in the hangar a service procedure possibly was not followed with the result that the seat activated taking with it the supervising CPO and the LAM(O); both died within a very short time of the accident. Now, bearing in mind that this was within a few weeks of me joining the ship, as the newest mess member I had the bunk that acted as a seat and was in use much of the time. This meant I could not turn in until everybody had decided to vacate the seat. The Leading Hand of the mess had told me that I could have the next folding bunk to become available. Guess which mess the fatally wounded LAM(O) was from and I was ordered by the Leading Hand of the Mess to move my bedding into what was now a spare bunk. The phrase "Dead man's shoes" almost became too literal.

Victorious 65-67 cruise I remember a car being fired from the port catapult, and if my memory serves me a dummy was put in the driving seat in a naval officer's uniform. I often wonder what some future unsuspecting diving expedition is going to make of one Ford Prefect miles from land sitting on the ocean floor.

Anyway Sea Vixens and the Victorious. In 1966 we sailed with Mk.II Vixens as you know the visual difference being the protruding liquid oxygen tank stowages on either wing. I also remember a rather nasty radio aerial on the underside which was aptly named a 'Sharks Fin Aerial'. During the course of routine servicing as a young greenie (Electrician) I often cursed that aerial as it always caught me as I ran under the aircraft. The scars have healed now but despite the warnings about it we never learned.

Our mess was under the angle either 6a or 6b I can’t remember which for sure. This mess was highly sought after because it had a large recreational space. To our horror, during a refit six new bunks had been added and the 'rec space' was no more. After a count up by the killick of the mess he noticed we had six spare bunks with everybody on board so out came the cutting tools and they were consigned to the deep. All went well until we arrived at Gibraltar. There, six new members were sent to our mess. The reg office was informed that we had no room or bunks, which resulted in a visit from the friendly regulating staff. They took one look and then went off moaning about idle dockyard mateys who had been detailed to install new bunks. Oh happy days!

Victorious 65-67 cruise When I was the deck greenie I used to position myself in front of the island during launches (standing there, was as close as you could get to aircraft at launch, any closer and you were toast). I used to like to stand there at launches, as the Pilot went to full throttle, signalled his readiness to the FDO, (Flight Deck Officer) my teeth would vibrate; the noise was horrendous. Even with the JBDs (Jet Blast Deflectors) one could still feel the hot blast coming from the twin tail pipes. Then, as they reached full power down would come the FDO's flag - whoosh went the steam cat and off into the wild blue yonder it went closely followed by the aircraft on the other cat then the noise was gone. The power of the Rolls Royce engines was so evident. At times we would launch four aircraft and then clear the deck to recover four. We attempted to fly four over four ie four off then four on, turn them around and repeat the procedure. Of course while we were doing our bit 801 (Buccaneers), 849 (Gannets) and 814 (SAR Helicopters) were all completing their respective flying programs.

The flight deck was a dangerous place to be during flying operations and considering that the average age on deck was at times less than twenty, accidents were kept at a minimum throughout operations because we were disciplined and trained.

I remember my first visit to the hangar shortly after joining the Vic in 65 I was on my own and found my way down to four deck, (remember I had not even seen an aircraft carrier before let alone served on one). I knew it was on four-deck somewhere so I asked a CPO (who looked very stokerish) if he could tell me where the hangar is. I was at the time actually standing outside the hangar access hatch to which he politely told me so and then went off muttering f****** WAFUS.

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Jim Cooper from Geneva 

Posted at 12:32pm on Wednesday, June 30th, 2010

Just come across your site. I read John Dickinson's comments of 10.12.09 about dive-brake collapse with interest. De Havilland Flight Test Observer on some one hundred flights out of Hurn, I note from my logbook the following experience when checking on rocket pack load links:
01.05.58 XJ477 Jock Elliot
Flt. 1 - stalls at 10'000ft, 2,3,4,5g at 500kts
Flt. 2 - Dive M=1+, 2,3,4,5g
Flt. 3 - Repeat all above with rocket packs empty

No problems till then, but...

21.05.58 XJ477 Jock Elliot
Flt. 1 Dive... read more »

Janet Barlow from herts england 

Posted at 12:37pm on Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010

I was fortunate enough to be married to Peter Barlow's son Bob until he died in 1988. He left behind two sons and he would also be a grandfather of two.
I would be so interested to learn more about my sons grandfather. He died before I met Bob but Bob spoke of him often and told me about the flights he went on with his father. I do have a few photos if anyone would be interested in receiving copies.
Jenny perhaps this would interest your mother.
Hoping to hear, Mrs Janet Barlow

JOHN DICKINSON from CAMBRIDGE 

Posted at 8:11am on Tuesday, June 8th, 2010

Hi Jenny Money and Bob Jaffray. To share memories of Jock and Peter contact me on john04 @waitrose .com

Bob Jaffray from Forfar Angus Scotland 

Posted at 7:22pm on Sunday, April 18th, 2010

Classic example of finger trouble!!. Jock Elliot and Peter Barlow would not be amused to say the least. The STARBOARD rudder it was what Jock was pocking on the rainy approach in the Sea Vixen to enable him to see where he was going. Apologies BJ

Bob Jaffray from Forfar Angus Scotland 

Posted at 10:01am on Friday, April 16th, 2010

FAO: - Jenny Money from Brighton.
Hi Jenny - the loss of your uncle Peter was a serious blow to the aviation industry at that time as well as being one that need not have happened. Just a tiny ancedote from those days at the time when the Sea Vixen was undergoing acceptance trials at Boscombe. Apparently there was good realtions between them and the team at Christchurch and at one Development Meeting Peter was talking of how much of a problem the poor visibility from the off-set cockpit could be, especiall... read more »

Bob Jaffray from Forfar Angus Scotland 

Posted at 8:56pm on Thursday, April 15th, 2010

FAO:-John Dickinson from Cambridge.
Hi John - I am really interested to see your ref to Jock Elliot as I have a special interest in his career right from service with the FAA during the war, ETPS followed by Aero Flight at Farnborough; then Korea, then CTP at Christchurch. I would be delighted if you could contact me and we could share some of our knowledge.
Best Regards - Bob Jaffray

Jenny Money from Brighton 

Posted at 8:44pm on Thursday, April 8th, 2010

Peter Barlow was my uncle. I would be grateful for any memories anyone had of him, so that I can pass them on to my mother, his sister-in-law, who is now 86. I can still remember so clearly the phone call that came in the middle of the night or in the early hours, telling us of his death.

John Dickinson from Cambridge 

Posted at 9:20pm on Thursday, December 10th, 2009

I was an apprentice at Christchurch from 1955-1960 and worked on Vixens.I remember when Main Production went on strike and the apprentices had to complete the assembly of the aircraft for Farnborough( heavily supervised by Chargehands ) and when someone dropped an Avon engine right through the engine bay onto the factory floor.My last year was spent at Herne on Flight Test and I flew with Jock Elliot, Chris Capper and Peter Barlow.Memories of rocket firing over Wales with the Dive Brake out,dive brake bendi... read more »

bernie from lincs 

Posted at 1:56pm on Wednesday, November 25th, 2009

I too remember that day when john derry lost his life in one of these aircraft,and of course it turned out to be a very good fighter,i think i was only 13 or 14a very sad day indeed.

Matt Wainwright from rutland 

Posted at 9:27am on Wednesday, October 14th, 2009

still after ex vixen crew to help us even just to scratch your head returning xj494 to power down the runway at bruntingthorpe

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